This is the original 1995-96 release of Steve Nicklin'sFOOTBALL FANTASIES game on the Atari classic.
If anyone is after the beta version of the 20th Anniversary Edition (currently undergoing enhancements and bug fixes), then please drop snicklin a PM either on here or AtariAge - or look to the links over at:
Readers: Just in-case that this is the first that you've heard of this game, here is a bit of background. I wrote it over a year or so with some intense work on it during the UK summers. It was my first (and still my only) game that I've written. I wanted to see a Championship Manager style game on the Atari 8-bits. It started out as a game which was one big Turbo Basic program. Then I quickly ran out of memory and had a load of corruption of the game. I realised that I had to split it up into separate programs which would be chained together. There is a lot of disk access as can be seen, but it isn't all due to there being a lot of data in the game, it is also because it is loading each program one by one. The plan now is that there will be a 20th Anniversary Edition which won't be vastly different, but will have a few bug fixes and other flaws fixed (there's a few in there, and a few I haven't admitted to yet!!) and perhaps a RastaConverter picture. Then I would like to revise this a few times while testing out new features. This can be done relatively quickly in Turbo Basic. Once it is in a good condition, I'll consider rewriting it in Assembly if time allows, no promises though.
On another note... I loved the crowd sounds in the background of the video! I also think that perhaps your disk drive is a bit slower than mine was.... though this is from memory, I've been doing all the re-development work in Altirra.
p.s. I promise the Fantasies screen is purely football based! (I've got other websites for that kind of thing).
Guys, just referring back to Snicklin's FOOTBALL FANTASIES, if you wind on to 11:30 on the vid you get a vital game being played between ASTON V*LLA and GEORDIE MAGGOTS. The game ends in a home win - OK, mightily unlikely in the current situation but let's be fair - the real 0-0 result there the other week dealt a DEATH BLOW to the MAGGOTS.
Holy Fuckin' shit! I've never heard yanks fuckin' swear so much! And is this the game of "football" that we yanks call soccer?!? Because this bruiser looks like he belongs on the New York Giants American NFL football team! I didn't realize "soccer" had such huge players! Or am I mistaken and this is Rugby football? That I could believe having a bloke of his size! But anyway, he sounds like me spewing off about every lame-brained idiot boss I ever had before I went off and started my own business! LOL!
"I mistrust consensus, because in general, most stupid people really like to agree with a majority."- Nolan Bushnell
Hehe, this bruiser, mate, This heaving heap of testosterone is a Geordie Maggot FAN - he is typical of the neandertal breed that strip off their shirts on the terraces and each season put their tortured souls - and bare nipples/beer guts - through the torturous process of seeing their beloved Toon Army - get taken to the cleaners...
The obesity aside, and of course I don't go to the stadium, as it's a 1000 miles away, that sounds like me and my Chicago Bears. American NFL football league. They won the Super Bowl 31 years ago when I was a lad, and made it back in 2006 but lost (though they were conference champs), but besides that, I'm also tortured nearly every season watching them almost win most games! ARRRGH!!!
Then, of course, there's my Baseball team the Chicago Cubs who haven't won a championship since 1901 or something like that. Luckily I'm not much of a fan of most other sports.
Brenski's a big fan of U.S. Football - I think he follows the Boston Stranglers, Rhesus Red Sox or New York No-Hopers. Did the Chicago Bears have a chap called The Refrigerator ever play for em, or am I getting confused again?
Yeah, following your boyhood team(s) can be a soul-searching tormented ride, mate.
The over-ripe Geordie Maggots have been sold down the river more times than I've had ORIC loading errors - no wonder they're bellowing belicosely.
Brenski - you still tune in weekly to U.S. sports don't yer? Is there an American sports team, roughly equivalent in terms of DOOM levels, to the likes of the Geordies...or V*lla?!
Back to the actual game, I like sports games, including football (soccer), on the old 8-bit, but I prefer action games I can play, I'm not so much a fan of simulations to manage, but once in a while there's one that comes along that's o.k., like Micro League Baseball is a favorite of mine, but one requirement for me is that they do show the in-game action at least. I could just never care for a game like Football Fantasies (Sorry Snicklin) where you just sit there looking at text like this one. I was really hoping for something like Sensible Soccer (probably called Sensible Football on your side of the pond) here...oh, well.
Hehe, know where you;re coming from, fella, but the footie sims with the data sets/no match action, have their ardent followers too - clearly not your cup of cocoa though, mate. Sensible Soccer was indeed called that over here - nice match action on the Amoeba but I found the tiny stick men just too small to be my cup of chloride. More to my liking, for super match action, was a title that you may have heard of - KICK OFF - especially KICK OFF 2 and its add-on data disks. IMHO, these were the BEST close-to-life football experiences I ever played on a home micro:
ABOVE: Sensi Soccer was sweet...
...But, IMHO, see BELOW - KICK OFF2 was and still is the dog's bollies:
There are still tournaments being played now - but I daresay the same can be said for Sensi Soccer as I know it has its die-hard fans too.
I just found Sensi to be overly rigid and restricted in terms of movement and tactics whereas KO2 has so many possibilities, variations and the 2 player head to head has never been equalled for me.
Horses for courses, I know.
Anyone else have an opinion on these two great titles?
Always been a fan of football and sports simultaion games since "Football Manager" by Kevin Toms, first played on a C64 for (literally) months. Played such games on many machines (C64, Amiga, PCs, etc.), I mean not only football games but also basketball, baseball, hockey, tennis, everything...
This "Football Fantasies" is well done and your review, Baz, is so good as it lets you live the atmosphere of the game. Can't wait for the next review. On the Amiga, I did like Kick Off 2 and KO Player Manager as I actually preferred sim games where you can actively be part of the game and influence the result with your skill or lack of... :-)
God, I really must resist the temptation to go back playing one of those games or just see the state of the art with current PC configurations or even consoles. I might lose myself...
We do need MORE FEEDBACK, chaps, on the forum to make it ALIVE, RELEVANT and INTERESTING - hint, hint, some of you who pop on...then pop off again! Just drop us a line/mention what you've been playing, what you'd like to see on here etc etc.
Yeah, Snicklin's done a great, great job on FF and to hear that he's still up for some more in terms of bug-hunting, enhancements, revised-coding is phenomenal, really. Who else is still working on our classic micros to produce such quality simulation software? Not many, my friends, but I do promise to release my own 2player Dogfight game sometime in the near future - it's started (back in 93!!!) I just need to get round to finding a shed-load of time looking at it, working on it, bug-testing and polishing it up a bit, and then I reckon I might be in a position to let you lads have a blast on it!
Sports sims - some with "real life" action - are indeed a fave of many of us - I think we need another POLL - standby for one later, retronauts(!), and we all have our cherished memories of titles which kept us hooked for: days, weeks, months and in some particularly sad cases, YEARS!! LOL! It's frightening to think just how long we've immersed ourselves in these virtual states of being, guys.
I am not kidding, but I knew a lad once, named Walker, who used to CHANT OUT, walking down the street on a night, the scorelines of his biggest victories etc during a particular season on that Kevin Tom's classic, Football Manager. So, he would deliberately walk by say, a Sheff Wednesday fan's house, and then proceed to GOAD the family within with shouts of say, "THREE NIL, THREE NIL, THREE NIL, THREE NIL!" Often, folks would emerge and ask him what the hell he was on about as their team had not even played that day - so the scoreline would mean nothing to them.... but in his WORLD THE ACTION/RESULTS WERE REAL and he would go out LOOKING FOR AGGRO ON THE BACK OF THESE SCORES!!!
LOL! Needless to say, he would often get his lights punched out and then return home and stay in for another week or three, accumulating some more 'dream scores' !!! PMSL!
Remind me to tell you another time when "Walks" got sacked from the computer shop he worked in, in Hull, for PUNCHING A CUSTOMER!!
You couldn't make it up, fella!
...and no, give in to temptation and get online at www.kickoffworld.net mate and get reviewing the scene for us - we need new threads, buddy.
I only mention Sensible Soccer because it was the only one I could remember off the top of my head. I only ever played the Atari Jaguar version of it, which is basically a straight port of the Amiga from what I hear. So, what's the best Atari 8-bit soccer game (non management sim)? Is that Kick Off 2 for the 8-bit?
Hand on heart, I never saw a GOOD soccer 'action' game on the 8bit classic - I saw some horrible attempts, including Kick Off (I don't think KO2 came out on the Atari 8bit). THORN EMI did a Soccer cart - it's OK - at least it's playable. I think Tynesoft did something called European Super Soccer, but super it wasn't. The problem with the latter releases was that the game play was excessively slow and the sprite graphics looked horrendous.
My fave 8bit soccer action game, I'm embarrassed to say, was International Soccer (ROM) on the C-64 - that looked and played well - a bit like Match Day on the Beeb/Spectrum.
What does the rest of the forum say - is anyone out there, I say?!
Well, that is a shame. Just from looking at the graphics and action of Kick Off 2 above, I see no reason why the A8 couldn't do that game well if done by the right people. I can say there are a couple of pretty good sports 'action' games on the Atari 8-bit, even if not soccer. But maybe I'll start another thread instead of continuing to side-track this one...